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Smak Dem Christians Down.

Written by Vicelin on April 29, 2009
This is probably the calmest rant you will ever read from me. It might not even qualify as a rant ._.

In my sociology class, we had a very short debate involving the foundation of America being based on Christianity, and that because of this foundation it is justified that our currency say "God", and that it is justified to uphold Christian morals in our laws. The reason it was so short was because one boy said "but this country was founded on Christian beliefs, so gay marriage shouldn't be allowed", and one lady said "no, it should be because no matter what this country was founded on, we have separation of church and state", and then the teacher said, "well, it was founded on Christianity, so it makes sense", and then that was it.

I didn't even bother to say anything after that, even though I had planned on it. But that debate pretty much ended with that one sentence. I was kind of annoyed.

I doubt that anyone will deny that without Christianity, America would not be what it is today. But we have to remember why our founding fathers and the original colonies came here in the first place: to escape persecution. Christian persecution, to be specific. Their goal, and wish, was for this country to have complete separation of church and state so that it would not end up like the England of the time.

It is also important to remember that our founding fathers were Deists. Merriam Webster describes Deism as:

"…system of thought advocating natural religion, emphasizing morality, and in the 18th century denying the interference of the Creator with the laws of the universe”


Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington all exercised Deist tendencies at some point in recorded history. The most important case being that they were opposed to the Bible. Yes, they do believe in God, but also that He does not concern himself with our daily lives, and does not communicate with us directly, not by supernatural means nor scripture.

The logic seems to be that because a majority of the original colonies and founders were Christian, that must mean that this country was founded directly on their religious beliefs. I would go far enough to call this a fallacy. First of all, this country was founded for the purpose of separating religious institution and beliefs from law entirely, hence the emphasis on separation of church and state, so where exactly would religious beliefs come into play here? Second of all, it makes the assumption that all sense of morality derives from religious beliefs, which isn’t true, since it was the absence of religion in morality which allowed our founding fathers to even think of separation of church and state to begin with. Separation of church and state would not be possible without the ability to have a working moral compass outside of religious influence.

From Encyclopedia Britannica:
"The nature of the new common law was at first much influenced by the principles of Roman law”


So our common law (ex, institution of a jury and the right to speedy trial) derived from Roman law. So since our country also appears to be founded on Roman laws, does that mean it is actually founded on Pagan beliefs? Interesting :o

The declaration of independence, which is what many people use to defend the stance that our country was founded on Christianity, does in fact mention 'God'. But there again is another fallacy. Does the 'God' in the DoI specifically translate to the 'Christian God'? Nope. The Declaration of Independence itself says that it is describing:

"the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God"


The Declaration of Independence was also written before the States had even been founded. In summary, this country was founded on one simple thing: freedom. Need I say more?

And, wow, I just had some major Deja Vu. That was cool.

On a lighter note, the entire debate in a nutshell:




God that cracks me up.

(Please don't be offended if you're Christian xD...for the record, I have absolutely no religious affiliation what-so-ever (and no, I'm not an atheist either), I'm like a...neutral country during wartime. I think it is possible that there isn't a higher power, but it is also possible that there is. Now that I've probably left you all mindfucked, I'll end this blog).

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Wed May 06, 2009 04:26 AM +

Exactly.

There are various levels of non-belief, if you can believe that. Some people don't care, some choose jsut not to believe, and some go even towards HATING the theist religions.

 
 
Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:43 PM +

David said: @irawk
And yet, the Koran effectively states that the infidels that do not convert are to be eliminated.



Sorry to say, but you're totally incorrect.

The Qur'an says that everyone is allowed to follow his/her beliefs, do NOT force religion upon others.

You may have heard what you claim from an idiotic extremist (who all claim all "infidels" must die)

 
 
Thu Jul 29, 2010 01:08 PM +

Nice job necroing this. What did you do? Press the random blog button?

 
 
Thu Jul 29, 2010 01:21 PM +

dacarlover said:
David said: @irawk
And yet, the Koran effectively states that the infidels that do not convert are to be eliminated.



Sorry to say, but you're totally incorrect.

The Qur'an says that everyone is allowed to follow his/her beliefs, do NOT force religion upon others.

You may have heard what you claim from an idiotic extremist (who all claim all "infidels" must die)


Naw bro, even in the Bible, Jesus was all like, BROS AND HOES, we must eliminate the NON-BULIEVURS HURR. Well, not eliminate, but like, smite. And they'll burn in hell. For all eternity. Yeah.

herp.

 

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